In this episode, I have Dr. Dmitry Kats, MPH, PhD. He has a PhD in epidemiology from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Many people have asked me what I think of his Niatonin protocol for COVID. And as you'll see in this interview that has since evolved into the Niacur protocol, which now has the dosing regimen of just niacin and curcumin, having abandoned the melatonin from the original protocol. You will find in this 3.5-hour conversation all about the justification for that protocol, how it evolved over time, where it came from, and you will get a really interesting look into the fascinating mind of Dr. Kats.

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  1. Dmitri is wildly incoherent, at multiple points he just seems to lose the plot entirely and Chris has to literally put words in his mouth or guess what he is was thinking while Dmitry checks out. I’m not trying to be mean, but he quite frankly looks like he is on drugs. His eyes are pointing in different directions, he jumps up and down on his chair like a child with severe ADHD, he repetitively moves in a manner that can only be described as Tourette syndrome. Two months ago, melatonin with niacin was his ultimate end all holy grail, and now he dismisses it non-nonchalantly. Hi vitriol against ivermectin and it’s extremely respectable proponents is almost paranoid schizophrenic, it’s literally a nobel prize winning wonder drug and has possibly saved more lives then any other drug ever. It’s generic and makes very little profits. Some of his points are interesting, but the 4 hour rant is virtually incomprehensible. I understand intelligent people are sometimes erratic, but he should either take something or stop taking something to calm himself and focus, or not appear on video.

  2. Chris,
    We listened to the entire 3.5 hours and we are now thoroughly exhausted. I commend your patience in trying to get to the actual biological mechanism substantiating Dr. Kats’ hypothesis. However, the “swirling” never stopped as Dr. Kats kept pivoting away from directly answering your question. Perhaps, someday, Dr. Kats will be able carry forward his hypothesis with qualified validation.
    Dr. Kats seemed unclear on his protocol. Is this the same Dmitry Kats with connections to,“1 Party at A Time” or “BetterFly” as described at If so, we’re sorry you didn’t ask what was in the “BetterFly” formula and how dosing compares with his NiaCur protocol.
    Thank you for all your work. We greatly appreciate your thorough and thoughtful communications on nutrition.

  3. Hi Chris:

    I had to tap out after a few minutes of listening to Dr Kats – his delivery is too fragmented and stream-of-consciousness-like. Very hard to digest. I tried!!

    His website is full of links to his now cancelled twitter account.

    Is there a reader’s digest version of what he is recommending?

    thanks for your efforts in clarifying a complex issue.

  4. Thanks, Chris and Dmitry. I’m enjoying the talk. I’m about half way through the video.

    I’m an herbalist, and I’m interested in when science connects with traditional herbal medicine.

    It occurred to me that the niacin is probably a diaphoretic (causes sweating). I looked it up and found that it is. Please correct me if I’m wrong. 🙂

    Herbalists and Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners use diaphoretic herbs to promote sweating in order to expel external pathogens (colds and flu) from the superficial levels of the body (mainly, the skin). There are warming and cooling diaphoretics. Cooling diaphoretics also help to cool down the body’s temperature.

    I’m also intrigued that Dimitry pairs niacin with turmeric. Herbal pairings (called Dui Yao in TCM) are a classical approach to building herbal formulas. Herbs are paired together for their special properties; together they form a synergy. For example, a diaphoretic herb might be paired with an herb that has anti-inflammatory and other properties that work deeper within the body. A formula like that would be taken at the onset of cold/flu.

    Thanks for your video. Chris, I appreciate the work that you are doing!

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